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  What is the best advise you have ever been given?

  by new hope and happiness in

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  awhile a go i was uptight about a matter i can't remember now and my friend said to me " give the other side the victory".

  a while ago my little boy was getting uptight and argumentative with his mum i asked him " to let it go" in effect i suppose " giving the other side the victory".

  anyway i am sure our life exsperiences have allowed us both receive and give good advice.

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  tim hooper

  Best advice I ever had: Resentment and jealousy are the most destructive of emotions. Avoid like the plague!
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  The long weekend of B.S begins - UK.

  by quellycatface in

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  isn't going to be wonderful??.

  not being there..

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  Here ya go, BB:

  http://www.britishpathe.com/video/witnesses-baptised/query/jehovahs+witnesses
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  The long weekend of B.S begins - UK.

  by quellycatface in

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  isn't going to be wonderful??.

  not being there..

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  I'm reliably informed that you only need 7 people to start a Mexican wave.
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  The long weekend of B.S begins - UK.

  by quellycatface in

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  isn't going to be wonderful??.

  not being there..

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  Twickenham 50 years ago. When they said how important it was for brothers to fellowship together in the food tents!

  
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  What would you do if JW's lifted the shunning policy?

  by bsand20 in

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  have you guys asked yourself that question?

  what if the gb decided that "new light" revealed to them that disfellowshipping was wrong and they would do away with it for current dfd members as well...... .......16 years of my life.

  would i welcome my family back?

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  Shortly after my own exit, the WT published an article that considerably softened their own attitude towards disfellowshipped ones. It also made it possible for me to resume reasonably normal relations with my own parents. This is the section from that article published in the 8-1-1974 Watchtower magazine. You may be amazed when you compare it to the attititude displayed today!

  Maintaining a Balanced Viewpoint Toward Disfellowshiped Ones

  Congregational elders, as well as individual members of a congregation, therefore, ought to guard against developing an attitude approaching that which some Jewish rabbinical writers fomented toward Gentiles in viewing them as virtual enemies. It is right to hate the wrong committed by the disfellowshiped one, but it is not right to hate the person nor is it right to treat such ones in an inhumane way. As noted earlier, some rabbinical writings held that, even if in peril of death, no assistance should be extended to Gentiles. Suppose, then, a member of a Christian congregation boating on a lake were to see another boat containing a disfellowshiped person capsize, throwing the disfellowshiped one into the water where he struggled to stay afloat. Could the Christian ignore that one’s peril, row away and feel free from guilt before God—inasmuch as the one in danger of drowning was disfellowshiped, viewed as “a man of the nations”? Certainly not. That would be cruel and inhumane. We cannot imagine Christ Jesus doing so; nor would any other Jew of the first century who had a balanced viewpoint have reacted that way toward a Gentile or a tax collector in such a plight.
  
  6 But consider a less extreme situation. What if a woman who had been disfellowshiped were to attend a congregational meeting and upon leaving the hall found that her car, parked nearby, had developed a flat tire? Should the male members of the congregation, seeing her plight, refuse to aid her, perhaps leaving it up to some worldly person to come along and do so? This too would be needlessly unkind and inhumane. Yet situations just like this have developed, perhaps in all good conscience, yet due to a lack of balance in viewpoint.
  
  7 If we imitate our heavenly Father we will remember that he even showed certain considerateness toward the first human pair after their disfellowshiping in Eden, providing them with clothing. (Gen. 3:21) This was an undeserved kindness toward them. As Jesus reminded his disciples, Jehovah God “makes his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.” (Matt. 5:45) The apostle Paul showed that, despite the independent course the Gentile nations took contrary to God’s way, Jehovah “did not leave himself without witness in that he did good, giving [them] rains from heaven and fruitful seasons, filling [their] hearts to the full with food and good cheer.” (Acts 14:16, 17) So, not “mixing in company” with a person, or treating such one as “a man of the nations,” does not prevent us from being decent, courteous, considerate and humane............................................

  ...............................We may note, too, that at 1 Corinthians 5:11 the apostle warns against mixing in company with one who “is” a fornicator or practicer of some other kind of serious wrongdoing. What, however, of the one who has been disfellowshiped for being that kind of person but who thereafter, either at an early point or at a later point in time, gives consistent evidence of discontinuing such wrong practice, stopping it? Can it be said that he or she still “is” a fornicator or whatever type of wrongdoer such a one was that caused him or her to be as “leaven” toward the congregation?
  
  11 For example, a young person disfellowshiped for fornication may thereafter marry, raise a family and live a respectable life. Or one who was disfellowshiped for drunkenness may abandon such practice and, if drinking at all, may do so in moderation only. By such changes these individuals may now regain the respect of the community. Such ones may not yet have come and formally sought reinstatement by the congregation. Is there, however, not an evident difference between these and others who continue right on in the wrongdoing that brought their disfellowshiping? Those giving up the wrong practice may still manifest some appreciation for Christian truth, perhaps even defending the true Christian congregation when someone speaks evil against it. Should not such circumstances be given due weight and have an effect on our attitude as a congregation toward such ones?
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  Because The Governing Body Is In Denial They Can Not Comprehend The Suffering They Impose Upon Jehovah's Witnesses With Their No Blood And Disfellowshiping Policies

  by frankiespeakin in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  denial works it horrors on the needless suffering they cause their members.

  denial about their god delusion, denial about their faulty policies, denial about children dying in vain over some stupid ban on blood.

  if it is one thing the governing body do best it's denial, and denial is a killer in their case and the death toll will keep rising until they can face the facts, instead of pushing them away with denial.. yes they hear but only with annoyance any facts about their biblical interpetation as being wrong and delusional, because the stakes are high; their position as corporation ceos, a better future for their followers, the future of the corporation they are running, i'm surprised that none of them hasn't attempted suicide over the dilemma they are in over this denial thing, surely some must see the 'writing on the wall' so to speak?.

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  They've painted themselves into a corner. Originally, in the early 50's, when the blood and disfellowshipping thing were both introduced, none of it seemed such a big deal. There was initially even some martyrdom value re the blood. The DF'ing thing was only used infrequently and then for only really really bad stuff. Saying you were sorry normally got you off with a years probation, after the year was up the slate was wiped clean.

  However, as time went on and people began to complain to the media, particularly after the great softening of 1974 was reversed - this is before the advent of the net - the WT chose to make their position even more entrenched. As internet websites became more and more critical of WT policies, so the WT had to affirm it's position more and more. It's actually bitten them in the arse. Once keen dubbies, those with some intelligence anyway, have watched WT harshness grow and grow and simply left the organisation. Those that remain are the wishy-washy types, followers, devoid of charisma or personality, who are unable to liven up a meeting or impress a householder. So the WT's own policies have actually severely weakened them, not just in numbers but also in the increase of apathy amongst the R & F.
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  Shunning Among the Shunned

  by Quendi in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i wonder if anyone else has had this experience or know of others who have.

  when i was disfellowshipped, i approached another disfellowshipped person after the memorial celebration and asked him over for some refreshments and conversation.

  he turned down my invitation saying that the elders had told him that he could not even talk to other disfellowshipped persons unless and until both he and they were reinstated!

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  Yeah, seen that. A row of DF'd people sat at the back of the KH but never speaking to one another. One congo I was in had around 25 publishers and there were about 7 DF'd ones sat at the back. Mind you, they'd all been to the same wife-swapping parties..
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  Why are so many JW's smug & phony?

  by NoMoreHustle in

  1. forum
  2. tech-support

  in my 20 years of being in this cult i was always struck at how alot of ones in my immediate hall never really talked to me or tried to get to know me.

  i know it is a two way street & i always tried to rbe nice & polite to everyone.

  i am shy person but i went beyond what i was comfortable with in trying to be likeable!.

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  There is a tendency towards arrogance amongst many JW's, particularly those who are regarded as being A-list.
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  Exjw UK Annual Xmas Dinner

  by Amelia Ashton in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi guys.

  i have provisionally booked the farmhouse on 13th december for this year's annual xmas dinner/meetup.. http://www.hungryhorse.co.uk/pubs/farmhouse-portsmouth.

  all welcome just let me know so we can prepare a big enough table.

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  Are Pompey playing at home that weekend?
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  E-Watchman? Thoughts?

  by thedepressedsoul in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i stumbled upon the website e-watchman today and while i didn't have time to read over everything i found this thoughts so far quite interesting.

  recently when reading matthew i can't help but feel that jesus warnings about the pharisees also applied to the gb and elders.

  actually everytime jesus brought them up i realized how similar they are.

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  tim hooper

  I believe that he's actually this fella:http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/member/6903/posted/1